Episode 6: Treating Cancer with Breathing, CO2 and Deuterium Depleted Water with Dr Que Collins

The cancer whisperer, Dr T. Que Collins, PH.D., M.A.,M.S. joins Steve Scott on the Conscious Breathing podcast to discuss how breathing, carbon dioxide (CO2) and deuterium depleted water play a big role in understanding and treating cancer. 

Dr Q is a leading scientist when it comes to developing and applying integrated nutrition and metabolic therapies to treat cancer in people and in pets. He is the president of Preventa America, the managing director of Better Cancer Outcomes, the chief recruitment officer for Better Cancer Outcomes Cancer Blood Sample Donation Campaign, and he is the co-founder of the Center for Deuterium Depletion, and former principal investigator of Epigenix Foundation. Additionally, he is the co-founder of Ketopet Sanctuary, which is a 53-acre ranch outside of Austin, Texas, founded by the founders of Quest Nutrition, for the purpose of using ketogenic diet and other metabolic therapies, with and without standard care to treat dogs with naturally occurring cancers

Learn how Dr Q is using breathing techniques, carbon dioxide therapies and deuterium depleted water and other strategies to help treat cancer in conjunction with conventional therapies.

Episode 6: Treating Cancer with Breathing, CO2 and Deuterium Depleted Water with Dr Que Collins

Published: February 25, 2022

Podcast Transcript

That we don’t breathe properly. What that, and by not breathing properly, that means we don’t have enough oxygen in our tissue. If you don’t have enough oxygen in your tissue, again, that starts to feed the metabolic dysfunction you have in general. Actually, if you have cancer, the inability to have that oxygen in your tissue, then actually allows it to grow better.

Steve: Welcome to the Conscious Breathing podcast. We have an exciting show for you today with Dr. Que Collins. He’s a leading scientist when it comes to developing and applying integrated nutrition and metabolic therapies to treat cancer in people and in pets. Dr. Collins is also known as the cancer whisperer. He has a PhD in Clinical Immunology and MS in oncotherapeutics, an MA in business policy, and a BS in poverty healthcare and cancer epidemiology. He is the president of Preventa America, the managing director of Better Cancer Outcomes, the chief recruitment officer for Better Cancer Outcomes Cancer Blood Sample Donation Campaign, and he is the co-founder of the Center for Deuterium Depletion, and former principal investigator of Epigenix Foundation. Additionally, he is the co-founder of Ketopet Sanctuary, which is a 53 acre ranch outside of Austin, Texas, founded by the founders of Quest Nutrition, for the purpose of using ketogenic diet and other metabolic therapies, with and without standard care to treat dogs with naturally occurring cancers. You’re quite a busy guy. You got like a lot going on. Quite educated too, I must say.

Que: Well, it fills up the nail holes in my wall.

Steve: You must have a must have a big wall. Why don’t you just tell us a little bit about your background, kind of what got you into cancer, and the research that you’re doing and kind of what you’re doing currently right now. What’s your main passion right now?

Que: Well, it’s actually interesting. I’ve really been doing this since all my adult life with the undergraduate and graduate studies for it. I don’t know what really guided me to really do cancer epidemiology at first. I really can’t tell you. I guess it is just meant to be, but from there, after I graduated, actually the first job I was going to do is with the space station. Going up in there. I was supposed to live in Russia. My wife, myself flew over to Russia and we lasted two days. It’s not for us.

Steve: You’re not going to be an astronaut anytime soon.

Que: Well, I was in astronaut school for a long time. As I was growing up, I wanted to be an astronaut.

Steve: That would be very cool.

Que: It was. I did a lot of that and that’s really was my goal. I got my pilot’s license when I was 16. I really wanted to be an astronaut. I always laugh, because of course, the warning. There was one black astronaut. He was a real, I go to meet him and everything. He was a big inspiration and then he died. Okay, I’m not going to do that.

Steve: Do you still have your pilot’s license, or?

Que: What’s that? It was great when the government was paying for it, but flying in itself is very expensive so I would have to be recertified. I went from there, I worked in private industry for 10 to 12 years for a big pharma company. While I was there, I was responsible for, first chemotherapeutic drugs. Then I went from being an analytical scientist is where I started. We did the first drug clinical study on taking targeted antibodies, that were targeted to cancer cells and we’ll put a radioactivity on it. That was the first. That was back in the day. Then from there we did a lot of growth factors, tumor necrosis factor and a lot of different things and work with genomic.

I’ve done a lot, but people, I always tell them, yes, that’s because I’m old. It’s not because I was, it’s all it is. I can’t say it’s anything that’s great, it’s just work. You end up where you end up, but from there, as you as you know, I really was pushed. I really got away from really doing cancer itself and really start doing a lot of immunology for the recycling industries and gold industries, where we would actually look at populations and determine how much cancer they would get from, like in Nigeria, from blowing up a mountain or digging for gold. I spent, probably in that, probably 10, 12 years, doing these types of things. You really start to see it in close up in person how it was.

After that, then my daughter developed cancer. I had to start understanding more and more there. Lost her and then ultimately my wife did develop a glioblastoma and that’s really why I got into the ketogenic diet, because from there we knew there was no treatment for glioblastomas that work. I’ve worked with Tom Siegfried and Dominic D’Agostino and Adrian Scheck. They were really kind and brought me in. Back then nobody knew what a ketogenic diet was. I love how everybody talks about it now. Where were they 10 years ago? But we started. Really everything they were doing, we did and we used it in my wife as thee great guinea pig. She’s probably the first person to use everything.

Steve: What led you to the ketogenic diet? How did you figure that would beat cancer?

Que: Believe it or not, it was my daughter. I went through her journals and she had some. The story, my wife used to keep a lot of things from me, because I’m a very serious scientist. She knew I would listen to the things that didn’t come out of Brown or Harvard or Stanford. Come on, who are these people? I don’t know them. She found some about the ketogenic diet, because she could read as well as I can, because she had to grow up with that stuff, just like I did. She kept reading, reading, reading. Finally, she bound them all in a leather binder. She came up to my office at the university, dropped them on my desk and said read them asshole. That’s why I started ketogenic diets. From there, I kept reading. It was so amazing, because I didn’t know anything about this stuff. I didn’t know anything.

I gave Tom Siegfried a call and Tom was very, he called me back within 20 minutes. That’s where it all started. He hadn’t finished his book yet. He sent me a copy, a premium copy of his book, so I could just review it. Once I read the book it was like, this guy is serious. It was one of the hardest books I’ve ever had to read. It’s a scientific wonder, that’s all in there. Then Dominic D’Agostino was one of the nicest guys that I’ve met. We’re still friends today. He works with us quite a lot. As a matter of fact, a couple of his students are now working with the same organization ultimately that Quest setup, the Epigenix Foundation. From there, I know I’m making this awfully long, but from there I became, Quest Nutrition and Ron Penna recruited me to start the sanctuary, that camp.

Steve: How did he find you?

Que: He kept telling people that he wanted to do a dog study. Every time he talked to somebody they said, well, you want to talk to Dr. Que, because he’s already doing it. He called me and was just great, he and Daniel Ortega, they called and got on the phone with me. They were very nice. I said, well guys, my wife was looking at me, but I said well, I can’t do it right now. I told him what was going on with my wife and I said, I hope to work with you someday. They always laugh, because, he said, I never would call them because of that. My wife died a week later and I think I called him two weeks after, a week after she died. I said okay guys, I’m ready to go, because I understood the power of food. I understood as a person that didn’t know how to, my wife was… took care of me. I didn’t know how to cook very well or do anything else. I just knew that food was very important and I was hoping that Quest Nutrition could help me prepare meals that were so precisely made as a scientist as I am, so precisely made that they were truly medicine.

When I went out, I saw their factory and I went, this is the place. The funny story is I was out there. It was 10 years or nine years ago, a month ago. I went out and it was supposed to be a week visit. A week turned into two weeks, two weeks turn to three weeks. I was living in a hotel for, I really lived in a hotel for a year. Then finally said, you’re not going back. I guess I’m not. We sent somebody to pack up my place in Virginia and I’ve been out here ever since.

Steve: Wow, interesting.

Que: It’s kind of wild.

Steve: Very, very wild. Very interesting. Now, what are you doing now? Do you have a center in Los Angeles where you’re treating cancer patients?

Que: Yes, so about five years ago, Ron and I, we flew over a guy from Hungary, that was named ‪Gábor Somlyai, who is the godfather of, inventor of deuterium depleted water. He was the first one to make a deuterium depleted water plant, that wasn’t associated with being a nuclear power plant. We’ll talk about what those associations and why that happens, but he worked with the Hungarian Academy of Sciences. They built this great factory. He really understood and started studying the relationship between deuterium and cancer.

When he flew over here, we met two days. I really fell in love with the guy and his science and all the stuff he had done. I said, that day, hey, I think I’m going to open a clinic, because I really believe in what you’re doing. It seems like the missing piece of the puzzle that I’m doing. I opened a clinic called the Center for Deuterium Depletion. We started to lead. Our whole idea was to let the world know about it and at the same time to be able to take, do real studies to talk about the other little things. Since then, we treated over, in our group, including Gabor of course, we’ve treated now over 20,000 cancer patients. We’ve had three clinical trials and we’ve published over 100 papers. In peer reviewed journals, I’m not talking about blogs.

Steve: You’ve been busy.

Que: We have the only product that’s been approved by, they call it the EMA, which is the equivalent of the FDA. It’s already approved for dogs as a treatment for cancer in Europe. We’re going to get it in the United States and we’re doing clinical trials. Hopefully we’re doing clinical trials in the United States, because remember, this is really not, again, you always hear about the problems of it not being something that you can protect with a patent, because it’s true. You can’t, but we put millions of dollars in these studies. We essentially know that we can, I wouldn’t say cure cancer, but we can sure get you close enough to where your standard of care can actually work. That’s really my goal. I’m not trying to say it’s this magic water, but it’s sure to help make state like radiation and chemotherapy, make you get less sick from it. Our papers have shown that we increase the state, not only your quality of life, but we increase the amount of time you’ll live if you are a stage 4, stage 3 cancer patient.

With earlier cancer patients, stage 1 and stage 2, yes, they are cured. Their cancers can go away if you do it right. It’s in Los Angeles, but we’re really more of a now a virtual clinic, in that we have patients in China, Sweden. Our group has talked in Rome, China, Norway, Denmark, England, Mexico. We’ve gone every place to promote deuterium depletion and deuterium depleted water, but to also make people understand, which is what we came to the table, that there are more ways, when I say to deuterium depleted, you don’t have to do it just by using water, which we’ll talk about that too.

Steve: Yes, sure. Before we get started talking about that, why don’t you just tell me like, what is your view of cancer? Is it like a metabolic issue? Is it a genetic issue? Cause?

Que: Cancer is a three pronged issue. I’ll tell you and from deuterium we’ll be able to talk about why it’s like this. Cancer is a seed problem, cancer is a soil problem and cancer is a food problem. What I mean by that is, if the argument of if it’s the chicken or the egg. It’s a stupid argument. We’ve been having this argument for a long time. The answer is yes, it starts out as a genetic problem, which could… that genetic problem is caused by metabolic problems. Then, at the third part, it then becomes a different animal. A cancer cell and a normal cell are not the same thing. That’s one of the things I try to really impress upon people, especially these bio-hackers and alternative people, that talk about cancer. In that a cancer cell has a completely different metabolism and architecture than a normal cell.

I’ll try to tie them as we go. Deuterium, our mission with deuterium, is right now, but if you think about what cancer is. Cancer is a cell that used to be part of your body, be part of the collective. We have 9 billion cells in our body. Cancer is one of those works as community. It’s part of a community. Our normal cells get together. They work toward the greater end. Everything’s coordinated, death, life, everything’s very coordinated. Cancer, whatever the cancer, it starts to drive, it becomes a unicellular cell. It starts to act like a bacteria. It doesn’t give a damn about the rest of the cells around it. All it wants to do is eat and grow. That’s it.

It puts all of its efforts and all of its architecture and everything into just doing those two functions. That is really what, when they talk about me being a cancer whisperer, which I laughed at in the first four or five years, but I guess it’s true. You’ve got to understand what the cancer is thinking and what the cancer does. When you develop therapies and teach people what to do, you got to make them understand that you’ve got to really understand how to beat the cancer, versus how to make yourself, don’t be overcome and miss and trip by thinking that it’s only about making your body stronger. For instance, vitamins become something that you don’t want to use, because the cancer cell will use them first. They’re going to outsmart your normal cells all the time.

Steve: Going to that, I’ve heard studies, I believe, that showed that implanting a cancer into a healthy organism, the cancer will be defeated, versus putting a cancer in like an unhealthy environment. Is that true?

Que: Some of those studies are not done very well. You’re actually right. It’s so hard. What that means, let me go back. I’m going to jump around here.

Steve: No problem.

Que: If you think about it, deuterium is a hydrogen. I want everybody to understand, it’s just hydrogen, but it’s a hydrogen isotope, which means that it’s slightly different. In this case, it has an extra neutron, but that hydrogen, deuterium is twice as heavy. When we think of the big boom, what everybody thinks the Big Bang to make earth. That was really just a hydrogen atom being split. That’s all it was.

It split and it hit something else and hit something else. Through all that power, imagine a 5 billion ton, megaton atom bomb. That’s really what it is, that there’s these reactions that went off and made the sun and made the galaxies starting from one point, of which Earth is one of those. At the beginning of time, the first thing that was around was hydrogen, which is called protium, or protium and deuterium, the first hydrogen. That’s what was around in the atmosphere. That went off and started making ammonia and making all these other things that became the other elements and molecules and chemicals that we can think of now.

Steve: So all of the elements are derived from hydrogen.

Que: From hydrogen. All of them are derived from hydrogen. Because you can’t make any element simpler than hydrogen, because molecular weight is one. That’s where it’s from. When you do this, think of it as cancer trying to get back to that primordial ooze. Cancer is trying to go back to live like a bacteria before we had oxygen, right? There was no oxygen. As a matter of fact, if you guys can see this. This rock here is 700 million years old. It’s from a mine in Australia. It’s called Zebra stone. When I went over there, I discovered it, because, and I fell in love with it. I had to start making little things like this, because it’s older than dinosaurs. You know what else didn’t exist when this happened? Oxygen. Didn’t exist when this was here. They make coal in a crater. The deuterium levels are what they were before there were animals on this earth.

Now there were bacteria, but bacteria didn’t use oxygen. They didn’t use oxygen. They used other things that were there. It’s so very cool. That’s where a cancer cell, which is trying to become a dinosaur. That’s really what it’s trying to do. If you think of a dinosaur, it’s the fucking Tyrannosaurus Rex. It’s just trying to be the biggest, baddest thing in the world. It’s trying to push back its way toward being this old thing, that not being modern. It changes your body. Everybody knows it, right? You know it. This is what you do. That’s why you get so much ammonia in your body when you have cancer. That’s why you have lack of oxygen when you have cancer.

That’s how all these things, because the cancer cell is making it happen. You’re right. The terrain is very, very important. The soil is very important. The way to defeat cancer is to try to keep that soil really modern. That soil modern, not ancient, and then to also go after the cancer cell and make that cancer cell no longer de-evolve. Stop it where it is, so now it can turn back to a normal cell and die of apoptosis.

Steve: Now why would the cell start to de-evolve like that and want to become more primordial?

Que: Because that’s the way we’re made. We have all those things in our DNA. We’ve all seen a fertilized egg and how they show us in it, for how we look like a frog and a pig and a monkey and all those different things that go through it. It is so much easier. You know this to be true. It would be so much easier if we were by ourselves. We wouldn’t have to go by laws. We can eat anything we want to. We can walk around naked. No traffic, nothing, right? If we have all the food in the world, all the everything, everything was there for us, housing. We could go today, we can go from Minnesota, we can fly to Palm Springs or Paris. That’s what a cancer cell can do, but as a normal cell, you’ve got normal cells, oh, you’re a kidney cell. You’re not a lung cell. You’re a kidney cell, you can only do these things. You’re a brain cell. You can only do this.

You know what? You’re going to live 40, 50 days and then, I’m sorry, for the good of the group, you got to die. That’s how coordinated it is. A cancer cell has no rules. They can move. If you looked at the four, the four markers for having cancer. One of them is movement. And a cancer cell can move any place it wants to. It doesn’t matter. It’s free to do what it wants to. It’s like a hermit crab. I like that place. I’m going to stop right here and do it. I don’t like this anymore. Let me move someplace else. Really, once you started it down the path of, hey, this is easier, then other things that happen like oncogenes and tumor suppressor cells, start to turn off and on, because to the point that the cancer cell says, okay, I get it. What I need to do is grow. That’s all I need to do. I need to grow. I need to move. I need to be able to avoid the immune system. It’s really what it’s doing.

What really causes those things, is really this strange metabolism that happens and the happenstance of the cancer cell or the normal cell being at the wrong place at the wrong time. That happens to cause an injury and start to get it to be evolved toward being a cancer cell. It was less oxygen in a particular place, so if there’s less oxygen, then it’s got to say, okay, I can’t use glycolysis anymore. I’ve got to use non-aerobic means to make energy. That’s why a cancer cell can’t stay in oxygen, most cancer cells, and all cancer cells, for the most part, must use non-aerobic glycolysis to make energy.

Steve: The energy that they make is not as abundant as if there was oxygen available, right?

Que: We actually do that wrong. I think it’s one of the things that people make the mistake. Indeed, when you make aerobic glycolysis, we look at that one glucose molecule, which is the fuel, if anybody doesn’t know, that’s really the, imagine it being the fundamental fuel for all for our bodies. It’s called glucose. Our body turns sugars, proteins and carbs, carbohydrates and proteins into glucose. One molecule will make 36 ATPs, like everybody knows.

Now, when you use non-aerobic glycolysis you only make two, but the difference is it takes much, much, much less time to make those two. We get it wrong. It always makes me laugh, because in the time it takes you to make 36, it can make 90. It can make 90 through non-aerobic glycolysis. All the stuff they say out there that’s why it breaks my heart and makes my mind go boom. We’re all taught the same. No, it’s much more efficient on the other side. That’s why it can do it.

Steve: It’s consuming massive amounts of sugar rapidly to amass that ATP.

Que: Right and that’s why you need so much sugar. That is why sugar is the devil when it comes to cancer.

Steve: Right. Now you’re talking about before about ammonia. I wonder if the ammonia with cancer is from… since it’s using so much sugar that when your body gets low on sugar then your body breaks down sugar, lean tissue through cortisol. I wonder if that’s what creates the ammonia with the cancer?

Que: It’s a combination. It’s necrosis. Rather it’s necrosis from eating cells, from cells dying or necrosis from the cancer going to amass and dying. That’s a very good point. The reason is, again, cancer changes the body. The body is so weak and so tired that it doesn’t have enough time to take out the garbage. That’s really what it is. Once it can establish that and you get more of these necrotic and dying cells, apoptosis slows down. Cells that are supposed to die and they dump there. They stay around and they leech it. Yes, indeed, you start to get ammonia from the breakdown products of all the dying cells and probably other places too. You’re exactly right.

Steve: I guess the cause of cancer, would you say it’s like, is it from a stress nutritionally or from environmentally or from like EMFs or from eating the wrong types of foods? What is your view on that?

Que: Our bodies are amazing. We’re set up to really, to stop a lot of things. I mean it is amazing. If you think about it’s amazing that we’re ever born. It’s amazing that we live, but our bodies have so many fine tuned optimized things, that have come evolutionary over the last, let’s say 50,000 years, since we became really humanoids, but we live in a time now to where all of the things that the paper cuts are now a lot bigger. Now we have EMFs. Now we don’t get sunlight.

Now we don’t breathe correctly. Now we don’t get enough exercise and our metabolism becomes, for instance the United States, we know that 80% of the people in the United States have a dysfunctional metabolism. That’s crazy. 80%. It’s horrible, but that’s a fact, to the point where we now change all of our graphs and charts. We’ve changed to make us feel better, because now, if you looked at it 40 years ago, it would have said that you’re obese or you’re sick, but now it says you’re normal. All metabolisms are really screwed up and jacked up and that metabolism being that way is the entry point for all metabolic disorders, which include Alzheimer’s, diabetes, obesity, early aging, cancer and just about anything, all the diseases we talk about have a metabolic etiology. No doubt about it.

Why do we even say it further? We know that the number one precondition for diabetes is cancer, or excuse me, diabetes is obesity, being overweight. We know this. This is so silly. It’s not an argument. The number for Alzheimer’s, same thing. It is obesity and being overweight. That is it. That’s not a joke. We eat too much. We eat too often and that is not evolutionarily the way it has been forever, until the last, think about it, the last 100 years. This is new. This is new folks. People think, we go oh no, we didn’t do this. We didn’t do this.

The best way to battle cancer and all these other metabolic disorders, because all the metabolic disorders start at one point, but they all go toward cancer, because that’s the end point. That’s the end point. For instance, people with diabetes, have almost an 80% chance that if they live from diabetes to have cancer. People with Alzheimer’s, almost 99% of them are going to have cancer. We think of men, even just thinking about being men, we know that by the time we are 60 that 60% of us have prostate issues. If you make it to 80, 100% of all men will have prostate cancer.

Steve: Prostate cancer or prostate issues?

Que: Actually prostate cancer. You may die, but on autopsy they will find out you did have cancer. That’s strange. It’s all of these things that you’re going. I shouldn’t say 100%…

Steve: What about the prostate makes it so prone to getting cancer do you think, versus other organs in the body?

Que: I don’t know. I really don’t know, but again, you can say the same thing for breast cancer.

Steve: Yes.

Que: It’s not making it so much prone. It’s really simply that’s what happens. Breast cancer is the number one cancer for women. You’re talking about the same thing that as you move into an overweight or obese woman, even a woman of normal weight, but mostly overweight, which most women are, just like most men, just like most people who are in the United States. You still have upwards of 80%, 85% that will ultimately have cancer when they die, even though they didn’t die of cancer, if they’re autopsied you find cancer.

The interesting thing, and again, if you think about it’s so interesting, because when we look at people we think of, we always talk about metastatic cancer, which is a dangerous one, but think of how many people you see with lipomas, that fat deposit, or thyroid issues. We know with thyroid, that it’s another one, that 66% of people in the United States have a benign thyroid issue. That’s thyroid cancer. They don’t say it that way, but it’s cancer. Lipomas are cancers. They’re there. We see them. They all have a metabolic etiology and the first thing is again being overweight and also not breathing correctly.

Steve: Is it true that one of the main hallmarks of cancer is hypoxia or inability to use oxygen while creating fuel?

Que: Yes. Again, cancer cells use non-aerobic glycolysis to make energy. That is a hallmark of cancer. That’s the Warburg principle. You probably heard of Warburg. He received two Nobel Prizes and was up for a third one, but they didn’t give it to him, because he didn’t leave, a Jewish guy that didn’t leave Germany, because he loved it so much. Very strange, but yes, that’s one of the hallmarks of cancer. As we talk more about deuterium depletion I’m really happy, because I think I’m adding, I think we’re adding to Warburg’s principle, really understanding basically really what he was seeing.

Steve: Tell me about Buteyko and how you got interested in that and breathing and why that’s important for cancer.

Que: Just as you said, one of the important, well, one of the big problems with cancer patients and all people. It’s not just cancer. This is everybody walking up and down the street, especially as we get older, is that we don’t breathe properly. By not breathing properly, that means we don’t have enough oxygen in our tissue. If you don’t have enough oxygen in your tissue, again, that starts to feed the metabolic dysfunction you have in general. Then, actually, if you have cancer, then the inability to have that oxygen in your tissue then actually allows it to grow better.

Steve: What if someone like they put a pulse oximeter on their finger and they say oh, my oxygen saturations is 99%. I must be breathing fine or something?

Que: Thank you for that layup there. I love that. A good pass to me. Good pass. People always make that mistake. There’s always 99%, 97% or 99% oxygen in your blood there. It’s there. But the difference is, and everybody knows about how oxygen binds to your red blood cells and those red blood cells take them to your tissue and release it. The problem is how quickly it releases that oxygen. This is why I like Buteyko and what you do, is simply because, if you have higher levels of CO2, that tells your body, your red blood cells to release the oxygen. For that metabolic dysfunction is an inability of red blood cells to actually release it, because CO2, again, I always like to say they’re nutrients. People have to sort get a sort of understanding that they actually are something that we use.

That’s really it. While looking at your… at your oximeter to look at what you have. 97 is great, but there’s some other things of what it means. Now you can get, like in COVID, you can actually have a lot less red blood cells with oxygen. That’s because they clump up a lot. They start to clump. As they clump, that means you have less surface area. You start to see that go down, because there’s not much area for oxygen to bind to. They can’t move to capillaries very well.

Steve: I think I’ve seen that CO2 actually reduces the clumping of the red blood cells. Is that called thrombosis? Is that the word for it?

Que: Thrombosis is the bad part of it. It does, and they do it, but again, that’s because it’s related to deuterium. We can talk about that later. I want to tell everybody, you’re going to get tired of hearing me, but everything, you are 66%, your body is 66% hydrogen. Once you understand that 66% hydrogen, then you can understand how important it is. If you have 66% hydrogen, but 30% or 40% of the wrong hydrogen, so these bigger hydrogens and the ratio is wrong, then you start to get very screwed up. All of those little things, like clumping of red blood cells, which is it starts to come in about. It’s a very simple thing of having high deuterium levels, but that’s related again, because oxygen, here’s the really cool thing.

Who are the big machine maker in the sky that made us? We’re pretty cool. We’re a really pretty cool car. Oxygen’s job, main job, and I’m going to say, I’m going to go out on a limb, its main job is to bind deuterium. What it does. The hydrogen, the protium and hydrogen, protium and deuterium. Protium is the one we always think of. We never say that. We call it hydrogen. It binds hydrogen and oxygen to make water. H2O, everybody knows. It binds it, but it binds with a higher affinity. It binds and holds on to deuterium harder and faster than it does regular hydrogen turning any water that you will sweat out, piss out, poop out and other ways that we’re going to deplete it.

The reason it does that is because the ATP is made on the inside of the mitochondria. Inside the mitochondria there are small engines. We used to think that the mitochondria was an engine, but it’s more like a bus. Inside the mitochondria, there are literally thousands or hundreds of thousands of these small little engines called nanomotors. These nanomotors work by a flow of hydrogens coming across them and turn them into like a windmill. You can imagine, instead of wind, hydrogens are going past them and they’re turning it. As they turn it and turn it and turn it, your mitochondria make ATP, ATP, ATP. They also make metabolic water, which is deuterium depleted water, which is something we never really talked about in school. It makes all these ATP and for every ATP, it makes metabolic water.

Anyway, but the biggest difference is if a deuterium, which is twice as heavy and these things turn at about 9000 revolutions per minute, which is fast in a car, Maserati or Ferrari and most airplanes and jets. That’s how fast these things turn. Well, if a deuterium comes by and hits that nanomotor, it breaks it. When it breaks it, that means it can’t be repaired. It’s got to be remade. When it breaks it, you start to make less ATP. As it breaks more, if you have a high level of deuterium in your body, it breaks more and more of these nanomotors and you make less and less ATP. That’s when a cancer cell starts to be invented. It says, oh my God, I don’t have enough ATP. Its genes start to change and you guys have all heard about oncogenes. Those genes start to change. Oncogenes start to turn on and, say okay, let’s not use oxygen, that pathway that requires oxygen to make energy. Let’s use the one that doesn’t require it. That’s how you start to get a cancer cell.

Steve: To deplete deuterium, you pee it out, you sweat it out, you breathe it out.

Que: To rid yourself with deuterium your body naturally gets rid of deuterium through all the ways, the ways you think about. Pooping, breathing it out, the humid atmosphere out of your breath, you sweat it out, anyway to get rid of water, because you get rid of it as water. That’s why, when I look at a cancer patient or cancer patients, I do everything including the integrity of their skin, because the integrity of your skin, if you see a cancer patient, you see they have a very pallor… is very, even look grayish and all these other things. Well that’s again, that’s a problem, because your skin is your biggest organ on your body. You really want that to be intact to get rid of a lot of deuterium.

Another huge way that we get rid of the deuterium is through our microbiome, our gut. Our gut is all bacteria. That’s what it is. If you see poop, poop is a floating bacteria mass. That’s really all it is. Back to deuterium, is used, as we talked about cancer being a bacteria cell. Cancer using deuterium as fuel. Well, those bacteria in your gut, those nanomotors go the opposite way to make their energy. It wants deuterium. It doesn’t break them. It loves it. It puts deuterium into the bacteria. The bacteria grow like crazy. When we do that, we see that we get a lot of poop. That’s a way for our body, probably the main way for our body, to get rid of deuterium. Things like fiber help that. That’s really what it’s doing. That’s the whole, that’s one of the major reasons for it and one of the major reasons that our immune system is so intertwined there, because you can sample the byproducts and not only the deuterium and the know deuterium levels are high, but it can sample the things and molecules and what molecules and see what the ratio of the deuterium are in that molecule and then go out and do what it’s supposed to do.

If you see people that have cancer, or people that have a lot of metabolic dysfunction, you’ll notice that they have gut problems. We’ll talk about gut dysbiosis. They also have problems with constipation or diarrhea. Those are all problems that are associated. If you think about constipation, what does that mean? That means, if you’re constipated, that your body can’t get rid of deuterium. That’s where you start seeing it going up and up and up. That’s why you start to see fevers and all these other kind of things, or even temperature misregulation, all these things when you are constipated. Constipation will kill you as a cancer patient.

Steve: Is constipation also associated with like low metabolic rate, as well, so potentially that with a low metabolic rate, your body’s not making as much of its own water. My understanding is when your body makes water through metabolism, that it creates non-deuterium water. Is that correct?

Que: That’s correct. The body is really cool. The way your body works, it takes, imagine it takes the carbohydrates and protein into your body. It takes all the hydrogen off of it. Takes it across the cell membrane and puts the hydrogen inside your cells back on it. What it’s hoping is that your deuterium levels are lower inside and therefore it won’t have those mitochondrial problems, but you’re right. What happens is that you don’t make as much metabolic water, but more importantly, it’s even more important than not making enough metabolic water. It also allows your deuterium levels to go up inside your body. Remember, now that’s going to feed back on your mitochondria nanomotors to break them. It’s a vicious cycle.

It’s like more deuterium, less energy, more deuterium, less energy, more deuterium less energy. It starts to try to figure out all kinds of different ways to get more energy. That’s when it wants to burn your muscles as proteins and try to make it into glucose. When it starts to eat all the rest of your cells, on a cancer side, to when it starts to then cause Cachexia or eating your body to make fuel. That’s an end stage. Now get this. That is when the nanomotors stop. That is death. When nanomotors stop, they cannot be started again. The true marker for death is your brain’s nanomotor is not working anymore. That’s really death. You can’t shock your way back. You can’t do anything. They’re done. You can’t be restored.

Steve: Before we get too much into deuterium. Can we talk a little bit more about Buteyko? How you found about Buteyko and why that is important for treating cancer and preventing cancer?

Que: Myself and Ron Penna, who was the founder of Quest Nutrition. We always laugh because, I always say I introduced it to him. He tells me he introduced it to me. Ron’s right. He’s right. Eight years ago, we read Rakhimov’s book on Buteyko. We said well, man this is pretty cool. I started incorporating it in what I did, because you couldn’t argue with it. It made sense. I just didn’t know it. What I really started doing was saying okay, there’s still something missing there. The reason being, we had done a lot of studies with the ketogenic diet. We had done earlier studies with hyperbaric oxygen therapy.

What I found out was hyperbaric oxygen therapy is shit when you are not in the ketogenic diet, but that’s the funny part. It doesn’t work for cancer patients. You start to see all these different reasons, things didn’t work. That’s because you got to be fat adapted and to have enough of this deuterium depleted food and to be low enough in your glucose and things for hyperbaric oxygen therapy to work. That’s the same as Buteyko. Buteyko was wonderful, but I started saying oh my God, what happens if I, Buteyko, think about this, if Buteyko works. What happens if I now lower the deuterium levels so it doesn’t have to work as much? That is where I came from. What other things can we add to the Buteyko for the Buteyko to be great, because when you have fragile cancer patients?

And again, it’s great. When you and I get cancer, we’re young enough. You’re young enough. You’re young enough to fight it, but they send in your people that are fragile. Starting to do Buteyko is a difficult thing, although it’s great for them. I started to use Buteyko. I got a lot of people to start working for me, who are Buteyko experts, including Rakhimov. I’m killing his name, but it’s Russian. He’s a funny guy. Well not funny, but… I got people to start doing it, because they’re great at it. I do Buteyko light, I always tell people. Don’t call me an expert. I use what I can use to get where I can get it to. So started using that and then filling in things about how it works.

Using diet, using deuterium depleted water, using exercise, which we were fantastic at, that we started at the KetoPet Sanctuary that we did. We’ve done clinical studies, soft clinical studies at Cedars Sinai, Barrals Institute, John Hopkins, University of Southern Florida and a lot of different places. We knew all these things were working and how it’s working. I’m really a cancer bio-hacker. Really more than a cancer whisperer, I like that word. Cancer bio-hacker is really what I do. I was saying, okay, how can we make this work so much better that 90% of our cancer patients can use it?

We started doing that and using control pause and you start to see these the metabolic rate go up. I use devices to measure everything, to make it more predictable, cause I know if you hit certain markers and certain numbers, according to published papers, you’re going to have better cancer outcomes. That’s why I named the company Better Cancer Outcomes. This is what we do.

Steve: What are some of the metrics that you measure?

Que: We measure metabolic rate. It’s one of them. Resting metabolic and exercise metabolic rate, using what’s called a breathing device, the Breezing Pro. I’ve lately really been getting into heart rate variability, which is amazing. Like, for right now, I am on the seventh day of a fast. I have been doing everything. Now, I’ve actually fasted 72 days in a row.

Steve: Really? Water fast?

Que: Water fast. I’ve done that before.

Steve: How many days you’re kind of going right now?

Que: I’m just going to go… probably this is the end. Seven days is going to be enough for this one, then I’ll go back and…

Steve: You’re going to have a big meal after this podcast.

Que: I’ll eat some at night, at eight o’clock, I’ll eat some chicken bites. You want to feed yourself a high protein diet, so you won’t have insulin spikes. Those are the kind of things, again, that cancer bio-hacking talks to you about, the things you must do to do that. Anyway, so putting all these things together with Buteyko. I look at it this way. Everybody can use this analogy. Your metabolism is a fire. That’s really what it is. To get that fire maximize you got to get the right amount of calories in, because you don’t want to put too many logs on that fire, but that’s contrary to what people who’ve never been camping think, who never made a fire, more logs actually smother the fire. That’s why overeating is a bad thing.

What Buteyko, the things you do, what’s great about it, is it adds the oxygen. Everybody knows, if you add oxygen to the fire, it burns brighter and burns faster. I really try to make it simple so people can understand it. My job is to make sure the fire in your normal cells is raging and the fire in your cancer cells is going to be put out.

Steve: How does breathing properly do that?

Que: Breathing does, well again, once you start doing the breathing, again, the number one thing is that it’s going to allow the oxygen to better release into your tissues. Since cancer used to be, for the most part, a disease of the aged. We know, as you age, you don’t breathe as well. I see people starting to carry about oxygen tanks, which don’t work, but that’s okay. They carry around oxygen tanks. If you can get that, not only using Buteyko, but actually getting to use Conscious Breathing. There’s a plug for you. Use Conscious Breathing to understand how many times you should be breathing, the breathing from the belly, and all the right things to do. It starts to allow them then to get more oxygen into those tissues.

Then, now it gets rid of those other things, like ammonia and having acidified blood. All these little things that really, really matter, that are great to talk about for people in bio-hacking, but they’re fundamentally and crucially fundamental to people that have cancer. A little bit goes a long way, because in cancer and other metabolic disorders too, it’s the idea of not being pushed over the cliff to where there’s nothing more that can help you. You’re really trying to keep them on the other side of the hill. I always tell my patients, I’m trying to make you healthy with cancer and that’s the approach. You want to make them healthy people with cancer, because healthy people with cancer can beat their cancer.

Steve: Yes, for sure. I know you’re interested in our products, the Carbohaler and first of all before we get to that. Like the Breezing, using the Breezing, what did you notice about cancer patients with their, does that actually measure CO2?

Que: It gives an accurate measure of CO2, breath volume, measures tidal volume. It measures a lot of different things. It’s a good instrument. Been around, work with the University of Arizona before, Arizona State, excuse me, wonderful group. Now they brought out the Breezing Pro, which is for doctors and the doctor’s office. Very, very nice, but what we found is, I can use it to follow, to see what your metabolic rate is. I can see the number of calories you need. As I fix you, as we start to do all these things, I can use it to track how your metabolism is increasing, what it’s doing to your CO2, what it’s doing to your tidal volume and all these other things. I also take your breath and I actually measure what the deuterium levels are on your breath.

I can make a one to one correlation, or correlation between your deuterium levels in your breath and your metabolic rate. Again, lower deuterium levels, you will have a higher resting metabolic rate and a higher exercise metabolic rate. No doubt. I’m going to publish that paper. Again, ten thousands of people now.

Steve: Is that is that like a causation or correlation, because I know if you have a higher metabolic rate, you’re going to produce less. You produce more water that is deuterium depleted metabolically correct?

Que: Causation, because again, if you have higher, don’t think that metabolic water is a byproduct. It’s really getting first of all to making ATP. That’s what you have to think about, right?

Steve: Right, but if you have more metabolic water then less of the water that you drink is going to enter into the cells and damage the nanoturbines, or whatever you used to call them.

Que: You’re right, if you can increase the metabolic water inside your body. Now you got to think about the metabolic water that is inside your cell never goes out, never gets outside your cell. You can make metabolic water. Here’s something that your audience might find interesting. You make about 30,000 liters of water a day. That shows us how much water is made in your nanomotors, inside your cells.

Steve: Where does that water go?

Que: It goes to all the chemical processes and enzyme processes. We don’t think about it, but we make trillions of enzymes, of chemical processes and they all require oxygen, hydrogen, using water. It also, of course, regulates your temperature. It does all these things. At the end of the day, it’s not so much how much metabolic water you make. That’s a measure of how well you’re functioning, but it’s really a matter of how much deuterium you’re putting in. You put that deuterium in and it’s really the drinking the water is not as important as the food you eat, because the deuterium in the food that you eat that’s the important part, because your body takes that deuterium, it takes those food and it turns that food into the process.

For instance, when you talked about carbohydrates and protein and even fats, the body doesn’t give a shit if it’s proteins. It takes the hydrogen off of it and it uses the hydrogen. That is what it’s doing. It’s not using the carbs and nitrogen and all, at least for the metabolism. It’s not doing that. That’s the reason that wild caught fish, which has less deuterium, it’s more healthy for you. That’s the reason grass raised beef is more healthy for you. The reason that GMO foods are less healthy, because they have a high level of deuterium. Why? Anything that grows fast requires deuterium, anything, including our babies and our adolescents. They need deuterium, they need high levels of deuterium to grow. They can’t grow without it. They need it.

Once an adult, you don’t grow anymore, you don’t grow up. You grow out. You grow fat and that’s the problem. That leads to diseases. If you see anything that’s growing, you can just say ugh, a lot of deuterium. If you see mold or growth and think about you feeling a piece of bread and what a bread on the shelf or outside it’s going to grow bacteria the next day. Molds is going to grow in that stuff. That’s why, because it has all those high level of deuterium carbohydrates in it. That’s why keto bread, made, it’s so funny. That’s why keto bread, made from non-grain sources won’t grow, it grows mold and bacteria a lot slower.

Steve: It’s interesting. I know one thing that connected us was through Ron Penna and the BreathQI. I’m just wondering what do you think the BreathQI is going to do that the Breezing doesn’t do right now that you’re looking for.

Que: Oh, I think it’s going to be more convenient and easy to use. I think you guys pulling that off is freaking amazing. It really is freaking. I think it’s going to be somewhere between much better than Lumen, which is useless, and something that the average person can use. I’m sure as that evolves, it’s even going to become more neat and more things like that. The price point is going to be good for the average person to be able to use it. As we look at, as people get a better appreciation for CO2 itself and understanding that, I think that’s going to drive that part home. So I’m very excited about the BreathQI. Very, very excited.

Steve: Then, as far as connected with Buteyko breathing and CO2. Can you tell us a bit about what you plan on doing with the Carbohaler and the BodyStream for some of your patients?

Que: Dude, that’s a game changer. It’s a game changer. If it does, like I think it’s going to do, what it’s going to be able to do is passive. When I say passively, it’s going to passively be able to improve their ability for oxygen to get to their tissue. When I say that, remember Buteyko and all these things, I’ll still teach them Buteyko, but the idea is that it becomes easier, because when you have diminished, if anything we can do to allow them to use their energy for other things, their immune system for instance, is a great thing.

I love the idea of using the Carbohaler, because it’s a game changer. Even, again, the BodyStream is a game changer. As you know, yesterday I spoke to a father of a child at four years old that has cancer. He has had it since he was 18 months. They’re teaching their kid Buteyko. It’s a joke. It’s not happening. Not happening. A lot of the things I do, he cannot use. He can’t, but I know if I don’t change things the next six to 12 months, he’s not going to be with us. Having lost a daughter to it, it’s not something I’m going to allow to happen. I think that the combination of, but again, what you do is simply deuterium depletion. That is the cool thing.

When I speak of deuterium, I used to talk a lot about water and food, then breathing, then skin integrity, then gut. I’m learning so much more about, ultimately, what it means. Even though I’m the president of a water company, it is not the only thing. It is simply the fastest thing. It’s the fastest way to dilute it out.

Steve: I think the BodyStream, the transdermal CO2 helps quite a lot with skin integrity. There’s been studies showing that it helps with the collagen formation, makes it more youthful like. I think it will help a lot with the skin integrity.

Que: Well, you sold me Steve, you know that. You convinced me. I really do. I’m a big, big believer. We’re going to do a lot of studies and a lot of clinical trials to prove that it’s right, because anything I do, I only do, I make sure that we got science to back it up.

Steve: That’s deuterium depleted water you’re drinking right now?

Que: Yes, this is deuterium depleted water.

Steve: Preventa, very nice. You probably don’t have any too good things to say about what I’m drinking right now, Aquafina.

Que: Aquafina has deuterium of 151. I already measured it. We have the largest database of waters and foods in the world on what the deuterium levels are, but then at the end of the day, the biggest thing about water is that we shouldn’t be drinking as much. The biggest problem that we’re doing is we have such a bad diet and we breathe so poorly. That’s the reason we can’t stay hydrated, but as I said, you make 30,000 liters a day. Damn it, eat correctly and you will not be nearly as thirsty. You will not be nearly as thirsty. We have Olympic runners that really are on natural ketogenic diets and deuterium depleted water. They won six gold medals in the Winter Olympics and I know they won at least three or four in the Summer Olympics. This does really work.

Again, this is, I talk about cancer, but this is just life. It’s all it is. It’s just, it’s the way everybody is and it’s not conjecture. This is not conjecture. This is simply stone cold science. Stone cold science and four Nobel prizes have been given for the nanomotor and metabolism and metabolic water, four. Not one to me yet. Four.

Steve: Should be coming soon.

Que: No, I’m joking there.

Steve: The Preventa, what is the deuterium levels in that?

Que: In Preventa what we’ve done…

Steve: Can you show the bottle one more time?

Que: This is Preventa right here. It comes in a variety of ppms. I always like to say flavors. It runs from 125 ppm down to 25 ppm, which means then 25 means there is less deuterium in it. We make it a variety so it’s convenient to drink and you don’t have to mix it with water from the tap, or anything like that, because not only is it… has less deuterium in it, but it has all the pufas and all the other craps out of it too. All these things that we’re finding that go in the water. It runs and then we do an intake on the patients, rather on my cancer patients, or metabolic patients, or athletes, to match them up, not only with the right water to drink and the right protocol to drink them at, because we think this is a band aid more than anything else. It is a band aid to get you where you need to be.

We don’t want people on deuterium, there’s people out there, other companies that have come into the market that, quite frankly, they were selling supplements before and somehow now all of a sudden they’re selling deuterium depleted water like a friggin supplement. I’m not a great believer in supplements at all, because most of them, first of all they have a lot of deuterium in them, because they’re synthetic. Second of all, in most cases, if you look at the science, they’re either not useful or, especially when it comes to cancer, they’re very, very detrimental, like vitamin E, like vitamin B, all these things which are great in bio-hacking make outcomes worse. Omega 3, they make it worse. That’s the things that I would really want people to understand is that if you’re going to do this, do it right.

We take, for instance, in Preventa again, we use Preventa what we do is start with one level and then we decrease, step it down, according to where you are in your treatment and what your metabolism looks like. Otherwise you could get the same type of effect. Think of it as a gentle chemotherapy. In chemotherapy radiation, they hit you with a whole bunch of it. When they hit you with a whole bunch, it kills a lot of cancer cells, but it doesn’t kill some of them. What it ends up doing, it’s making that one that lives stronger, because it doesn’t have to compete now with other cancer cells. That’s the reason you get these relapses and recurrence of cancer and they come back, and they’re no longer responsive. They no longer can be killed by the chemotherapy, or the radiation, or even surgery, they can’t get to them, because that cancer cell is now a lot friggin smarter.

They’re smart. Again, they’re smart. Again, Tyrannosaurus Rex, or maybe the Raptor, because they’re smaller. They’re a lot smarter so you can go down. What we do with our protocols, is we slowly… so we kill off some of them each time. We make it so it doesn’t make an environment where there are cancer cells that can then get used to low deuterium levels and grow. Remember, I told you deuterium is a fuel for cancer, but not only that, deuterium gets into the DNA.

Steve: It’s a fuel because it damages the mitochondria.

Que: Yes. It damages the mitochondria, but it feeds the cancer cells. Feeds it. Think of it this way, remember the carbohydrates, or excuse me, the cancer cells need sugar. They use non-aerobic glycolysis. It’s not the sugar it’s using. It’s using the deuterium on the sugar. The deuterium on the sugar and therefore it wants those deuterium. It doesn’t hurt their mitochondria. It won’t. It’s using a different pathway. It’s using a completely different pathway in the other side, but what I would say is that in deuterium, what was I…oh yes, so if you look at that what happens is that deuterium actually goes into the, so your DNA, it’s two strands.

It is held together by hydrogens. They’re held and glued together and they’re actually covered in water. They never teach about that in school, but it’s covered in water. That’s what allows them to have that three dimensional structure and the lattice formation. If you add deuterium to that, either in the water, or more importantly, in the scaffolding, then what happens is that deuterium is twice as big. It starts to make that three dimensional structure kind of funky. It doesn’t fold up as well. One deuterium also binds and attracts the next 100 hydrogens around it. It starts to ball up. By balling up, it starts balling up and leaving. So the cancer, the cancer cell, the DNA can’t close. It’s like putting a foot in the door. That’s the way it keeps replicating.

Steve: Okay, I see.

Que: So, that’s deuterium depletion. Another thing that we’re doing, is we’re making the deuterium levels lower so the cancer cell now can close up and not replicate anymore. If we can do that, then that starts to turn on the tumor suppressor cells again and allow it to go through apoptosis. When I look at deuterium depletion and deuterium depleted water, the first four hallmarks of cancer that you talked about, all of those are answered by our deuterium depleted model, which we’ve shown, the oncogenes. Oncogenes are turned off and we’ve shown that both CMEC and KRAs are turned off by deuterium depletion. We’ve shown that migration is decreased by deuterium depletion. We’ve shown that aerobic glycolysis, or non-aerobic glycolysis, is shut down by deuterium depletion.

I can’t remember what the other one was, but we’ve already gone through all four of them. Because, as I said, it’s not a miracle drug, but it’s simply fundamental to our biology. Fundamental, this is just the way the world works. It’s hydrogen. This is not magic. This the way that God, or the great engineer, or whoever engineered us, this is the way our body works and the rest of the body. It’s what’s so amazing. People, every single animal, multi-cell organism gets cancer. Every single one.

Steve: Really?

Que: Yes, every single one. Cancer has been with us forever, but every single one gets cancer, but no single-cell animal gets cancer or the equivalent of cancer.

Steve: Okay, does structured water, how does that relate to like deuterium depleted water, or water that has a lot of deuterium in it?

Que: It’s a great question. Structured water is the word that they came up with. He’s a great scientist, but when it really comes down to it, is the ratio, your structured water… So they structured water with sound and a couple other things, spinning and things like that, but really, the easiest way to structure water is really the ratio of hydrogen to deuterium. That’s all it is, right? I can structure and get the different angles and it’s stable. That’s the biggest difference. When you structure like this, 105 has a different structure than 25. Again, think of it as an erector set. Hydrogen, being bigger or smaller, changes it slightly. That’s important, because as you change it, those hydrogen also go into all of the things you make, like your insulin molecules or SEU, testosterone, even your cholesterol.

The reason that we have high cholesterol in our bodies is, people are kind of missing it. Cholesterol, if your cholesterol has deuterium in it, the sun can’t break it and it can’t get vitamin D. You can’t get bile salts, testosterone, melatonin. None of that stuff can be made. You see it floating around and has a long half-life. Your vitamin D levels are lower. It’s also fat… It’s not fat soluble. There’s probably vitamin D that’s fat soluble, or excuse me. That’s not fat. That’s water, the deuterium water. We know that is true. Stephanie Seneff talks about that, but once it gets deuterium in it. It cannot happen that way.

This is another thing. That’s the reason that you start to see deuterium, not only metabolically causing diabetes, but it also affects the insulin, shape of insulin and a receptor, so those don’t work as well. It’s all these things that go together. When we give deuterium depletion and teach them deuterium depletion, we know that there’s going to be a half-life for the old stuff to get rid of. Some of the things I do is I look at where you should be, your deuterium levels, and then I can see how your molecules are changing, rather functionally, or I can do chemical analysis, biochemical analysis or gene analysis, seeing how it affects something. Is that affecting something?

Deuterium really, when we talk about epigenetics, it really is deuterium what’s changing all these things. It is really cool. We talk about eating apples, or eating this, or eating that. That’s true. But it’s because those hydrogens on those go into the DNA unaffected. If you can remove hydrogens, you can have some genes turn on, and when they turn on, the other genes turn off. This hydrogen oxygen ratio, this hydrogen deuterium ratio is the basis of life.

Structured water. Structured water is very interesting. I don’t work with it often, because ultimately, as a therapeutic, it’s useless. That’s, again, as a therapeutic it’s useless. When I say that, it is because… it’s not… the control of it and is not very good. Preventa, they made it in a GMP facility that we’ve gotten gone through the FDA and EMA to talk about it’s a drug. It means it’s made exactly the same way every time, therefore it’s going to give exactly the same response every time. That’s really, really what I’m more interested in than anything else.

Steve: Okay. Now what about like infrared light that affects structured water, as I know it, but how does infrared light affect deuterium at all?

Que: I’ve spoken for Joovv, the red light. The infrared light is, again, is one of the things I use and Joov panels are things I use for all our patients. It has more. I know about structured water, but I didn’t tell you that we’ve done studies how we can predict what’s going to happen on the deuterium levels you have. That’s work with both Joovv and their doctor at Harvard, which I’ve talked to, so yes.

Steve: So different light therapies will reduce deuterium.

Que: This is the reason why. If you look at… so when you have hydrogen and oxygen, when you look at hydrogen H2O, you had the bonds between them bonding a hydrogen to oxygen. That bond and what happens, those lights, hit that bond and they resonate. They start to resonate. If the bond has a deuterium on it, then what it’s going to do, it turns into heat. It turns into heat and starts to let off heat. That’s why we see fevers. Red lights is going to cause a fever. It’s really trying to, think about it, it’s trying to kill the bacteria. It’s a high level of bacteria. There is something on here, I need to raise the heat and kill it. And cancer cells. Now, if it has regular, again, it has protium and hydrogen on it. It transfers that energy. Take that energy and transfer to the electron transport system, or to the brain, it just feeds it energy, or electricity. This is a better way of thinking about it. It happens that at different lengths. Deuterium has a different, slightly different wavelength than protium, so you can design your water or design your red light to be, say, 460, versus 490 or 510 nanometers in length, to make, to decide what resonance you’re going to get.

Steve: I see. Interesting. Now as far as foods go, do certain macronutrients have more in general, more deuterium than like fat versus carbs or protein?

Que: Yes. This thing is hydrogen is the best way to think about it. We know that we have more hydrogens per mass on fat. After all the work I did on ketogenic diets for years it is serendipity. It is simply that fat have a lot of hydrogens on it. If they’re from deuterium depleted animals, then that’s going to be a deuterium depleted fat. When it goes into the aerobic glycolysis, it’s then going to be able to burn and provide more energy. Carbs have, for the most part, especially in processed foods, are going to have a lot of hydrogens on them, a lot of deuterium on them and so they’re bad, but at the same time plants, when you look at green plants, the green part of plants is deuterium deplete, because they have chlorophyll, which are like our mitochondria.

They deplete deuterium and get away from it. It puts all that deuterium into the fruit and into the sugars that it has. That’s what it does. A fruit is a fruit bomb. It’s a deuterium bomb. This idea that we eat a lot of fruit doesn’t make a lot of sense. Our ancestors didn’t do that, because that many servings is not good for us at all. To tell you, if you really think about fruit, the reason it really, before it became such a big agricultural thing, you could get the fruit off the bottom of the tree and then the rest of them would fall to the ground, so a horse could eat it and poop it out and make another tree. That’s what it’s for. A seed has a high level of deuterium. That’s what they’re for.

You can say that, because if you, ever anybody, I don’t know if kids get to see this anymore, but if you leave an apple out on the ground, or even on the counter, you come the next day and there’s bacteria on it. It’s covered. It starts to cover it, because it’s eating all the deuterium. It’s like, oh, yum, yum. Thank you very much and it just keeps going. It is a very big difference in the different kind of foods that you can do. It’s really that things that are wild, as far as food goes, things that are wild caught, like wild salmon, are low on deuterium. Where animals that are caught, that are raised in a pen, they are raised in a pen and are fed grain, are high in deuterium. They’re not as good for you. Not at all.

Same thing with the grain fed cattle and grass fed and finished cattle. Yes, it’s no doubt about it. Now that organic part. Is organic more important? The organic part is really more important, simply because they’re farmers. They don’t get all those poisons, but otherwise, no. GMO foods. GMO foods grow fast. They have a lot of deuterium in them. They’re not as good for you. It’s not that the genes are going to give you a third eye. You can eat it. It does not make a difference, but it’s just going to have a lot more deuterium in it.

Steve: What about the difference between different types of fat like Omega 3, versus like polyunsaturated fats, Omega 6, Omega 9 and saturated fats?

Que: I think the interesting part there, Steve, is that they haven’t, the bad part about is you don’t know what you don’t know. We know that Omega 3, Omega 6 is important, but nobody’s done, well, what happens if the Omega 6 is deuterium depleted. It’s not true. What we do know is that when you look at the metabolic dysfunction of a person that eats a proper ratio of Omega 3 to Omega 6, 2:1 ratio, 2:1 Omega 6 to Omega 3. If that Omega 3, Omega 1 source comes from a grain fed animal or grain fed fish, it’s not as healthy as one that comes from another one. There’s papers printed on that. They didn’t, those papers didn’t look at deuterium, but I can tell them that’s the difference.

It is important, but it doesn’t change the profile. It won’t change the profile to where the Omega 3, Omega 6 is going to go up. I’ll give you a good example. We took salmon, did an experiment. This was five years ago before it was popular. We took salmon, wild caught salmon that was going to be thrown away. We fed it to chickens to make high Omega 6, high Omega 3 eggs that were deuterium depleted. That was pretty cool. Now we offer a mushroom, a reishi mushroom, that’s grown on deuterium depleted water. We offer that as a product. As a natural, I guess it is a supplement, a natural food product, that actually helps with the food side of things because, again, food is much more important in the long run than water. Much more important than water.

Steve: Okay. Now, if someone wants to purchase your deuterium depleted water, how would they? Do they go to preventa.com or how do they get that?

Que: If they want to get the water, they would go to preventa.us or preventausa.com, either one, but preventa.us. They could order their water there. If they want to get treatment and we always tell people, it’s not about the water. It’s about how to use it and how to use it properly, then they could simply go to bettercanceroutcomes.com or mytabolism.com. Spelled out M-Y, mytabolism.com and get help there too.

Steve: You’re taking patients, you said, remotely. You don’t have to live in the Los Angeles area?

Que: Yes, I mean, again, we provide help for everybody across the world. It’s very effective, very efficient. We have an online app, that will help them. What we really want to do is empower those patients and empower the people that are with us to really take control of their own care. We do this all by an app that is AI backed, that’s going to tell them what to do, when to do it and will take all their data from the smart watches and things we use, from the Oura rings, from the care cube, take all the data, feed it into it, so they can get each day to know how they’re doing.

Steve: Okay. Very cool. The water, do you ship that internationally, or just in the US?

Que: We have the market for the US and North America. We do that, but we can get it sent to any place in the world.

Steve: Okay, very interesting. I appreciate you being on the call. It’s been super interesting. You have a wealth of knowledge. I love how you combine the breathing and CO2 and deuterium depleted water and everything. That’s super fascinating.

Que: I want to thank you in advance for helping people get rid of cancer, because what you’re doing is really a big piece of what’s not out there. It’s really making it easier, making it more effective and efficient, is just great. Really, thank you and your partner for it.

Steve: Appreciate that. Thanks a lot. Take care.

Que: Thank you.